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Všeobecná diskuse XIV

Sanhedrin 21.11.2004 20:29:24 MET	(Všeobecná diskuse/Všeobecná diskuse)

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Všeobecná diskuse XIV | 925 comments (925 topical, 0 editorial, 10 pending)

Nová všeobecná diskuse XIV (none / 0) (#1)
jezovec (jezovec zavináč gmail tečka com) 21.11.2004 20:32:03 MET
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byla založena http://www.sprcha.com/displaystory/2004/11/21/202924/46

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Jezovec jsem, a jezovec budu.

Souhrn dennich zprav (none / 0) (#2)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 22.11.2004 05:27:24 MET
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Cabelovy hi-speed furt nespyyduje. Ze prej je nekde v dratu filtr a musi ho odstranit technik. Futery nemuzu do zamestnani, budu cekat na technika. Prijde mezi osmou rano a jednou odpoledne odstranit filtr.

Mini-summit s bondvodnikem probehl k oboustranne spokojenosti. Doufam. Slunce zapadlo do Pacifiku presne podle jizdniho radu, od baru v Beach Challet to vypadalo velmi spektakularne a bylo nasledovano psychedelickou hrou barev na vetrem vyfoukane obloze. Vitr zahnal i tradicni mlhu, takze Pacifik vytvoril jasnou linku na rozdil od normalne mlznou sedi rozmazaneho obzoru. Tak jsme si dali na tu slavu druhy dzban v hospode uvareneho IPA (India Pale Ale), talir smazenych calamari na mlsani a pokracovali ve zvaneni.
S prislibem dalsi spoluprace se obe delegace pratelsky rozloucili, bondvodnik odesel smerem large Dodge dullie a boutros odpicikloval podel plaze k infernetu podat zpravu.

life's a near death experience

Neco na hrani :))) (none / 0) (#3)
Michaela 23.11.2004 10:25:58 MET
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Bush na miru

Krocani jsou popraveni (none / 0) (#4)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 24.11.2004 21:25:01 MET
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a ten washingtonskej dostal milost, jako kazdorocne.
Zejtra se bude prejidat vsude.

Takze vesele kruti svatky a pocatek vanocniho silenstvi vsem preje

boutros

life's a near death experience

A co obyvatele Kotliny (none / 0) (#5)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 24.11.2004 21:27:58 MET
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na rasici obcanskou valku v ob zemi vychodne?

life's a near death experience

ty zas amici vyhecujou jak v 56 (none / 0) (#6)
HUSITA 24.11.2004 21:36:26 MET
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Madary a pak se na ne vyserou.

Powell: U.S. Rejects Ukraine Vote Results
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Nov 24, 1:41 PM (ET)

By BARRY SCHWEID

(AP) U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell gestures during a press conference at the end of a two-day...

WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday the United States does not consider legitimate the results of elections in Ukraine, which the opposition says was marred by fraud.

He challenged leaders of the former Soviet bloc nation "to decide whether they are on the side of democracy or not."

"If the Ukrainian government does not act immediately and responsibly there will be consequences for our relationship, for Ukraine's hopes for a Euro-Atlantic integration and for individuals responsible for perpetrating fraud," Powell said.

The secretary was not explicit. However, the United States often revokes the U.S. visas of officials involved in perpetrating fraudulent elections in foreign countries.

Another option would be to refuse Ukrainian entry into Euro-Atlantic organizations such as NATO.

Powell said he spoke with outgoing Ukraine President Leonid Kuchma and urged that his government not crack down on demonstrators. He also spoke with other regional leaders, including Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

Powell spoke to reporters shortly after election officials in Ukraine declared that Kremlin-backed Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych won the election over opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko. The announcement raised fears of violence in Kiev, where tens of thousands of demonstrators have been demanding that the results be overturned.

"We cannot accept this result as legitimate, because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse," Powell said.

The crisis in Ukraine also posed a dilemma for the United States. Ukraine has supported the military campaign in Iraq, and contributed 1,600 soldiers to the coalition. Yushchenko had said that if elected, he would withdraw Ukraine's troops.

Powell did not elaborate about his conversation with Lavrov, but said he advocated a solution to the crisis in Ukraine that is "based on the law, using legal procedures."

The State Department confirmed Tuesday that it had summoned the Russian ambassador and discussed Ukraine. The Kremlin described the meeting as "unprecedented interference" in another country's affairs.

Powell said Wednesday he discussed the elections with European Union officials and with Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, who has offered to mediate.

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Soustredim se pouze na sporou (none / 0) (#7)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 24.11.2004 21:48:55 MET
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Husitskou tvorbu.

To s tim amickym vyhecovanim mas nejak fakticky dolozene, nebo je to jen dalsi z mnoha mytu, kterymi zde skupinka nastenkaru futruje svou propagandu?

life's a near death experience
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Asi to byly zle jazyky (none / 0) (#8)
HUSITA 24.11.2004 21:53:17 MET
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ze v 56-tem amici z povzdali hecovali madary k "prevratu" a kdyz pak rusi nejaky tisice pozabijeli.... tak zapad udelal co??

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Muj dojem je (none / 0) (#9)
Prokop (pkrasny@aol.com) 24.11.2004 21:54:16 MET
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ze madari moc hecovat nepotrebovali, ale celkem by mne zajimalo jak to vlastne bylo.

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typicke... (none / 0) (#10)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 24.11.2004 21:59:27 MET
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asi omezime vzajemne diskuse na kulinarni a cestovatelska temata, co Ty na to?

Nebo pokladas svuj posledni prispevek za hodny odpovedi?

Kdyby te nahodou zajimala skutecnost.
Nebezpeci ale nehrozi, co? ;-))). Strizliva realita negeneruje co desitky?-STOVKY!!! nastenkarskych hesel. Nepouzitelne - neckaroni lovi jinde.

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Smutna realita (none / 0) (#13)
HUSITA 24.11.2004 22:49:56 MET
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je ze v 56tem obycejni hloupi lidi od soustruhu a traktoru zivorici za par forintu kdyz slyseli hlas ameriky a jak zapad vitezi a zvitezi vuci komunistum meli iluze
ze nejsou jen bezvyznamne musince na mape velikanu.
Jejich chyba ze doufali ze kdyz daji svoji krev tak se k nim prida
ten svet svobody.

Hopes and illusions in Hungary

Although the claim has been interminably reiterated by Communist propagada, the West was not directly responsible for instigating the Hungarian revolution. However, the previously mentioned double faced foreign policy of the United States toward Eastern Europe undoubtedly contributed indirectly to the fact that social unrest in Hungary eventually manifested itself in the form of an armed uprising. Those young workers and students who risked their lives in taking up arms against the overwhelmingly superior forces of the Soviet military and the ÁVH were, for the most part, thoroughly convinced by all the misleading liberation propaganda that the West, particularly the United States, would make good on the promises to provide armed assistance to the Hungarian people if it rose up against Soviet domination, or at the very least that it would employ all the political weapons at its disposal in order to force the Soviet Union to acquiesce in the Hungarian desire for independence.(23)

The principal foreign political demands of Hungarian society at the time of the Revolution were, for the most part, not founded upon an awareness of world political realities. This is due partly to the fact that the general public held illusions which hindered, and in some instances even precluded a clear assessment of Hungary’s international circumstances, and partly to the general propensity of people to make unrealistic demands during the upheaval and agitation of revolution.

A significant portion of Hungarian society mistakenly believed (and still believes) that the spheres of influence established in Europe after World War II were just temporary arrangements and that the Revolution offered the Western powers an exceptional opportunity to change them. The majority of Hungarians were only able to perceive those world political trends which were encouraging for their aspirations. Although the new orientation of East-West relations were leading to a rapprochement between the two world superpowers they continued believing in the unchanged American propaganda emphasizing that the United States would never write off the so-called captive nations. The armed freedom-fighters in particular were counting on military intervention; it was precisely these people who harbored the greatest illusions regarding the world political environment, though they were generally aware of the fact that their struggle against the vastly superior Soviet forces would fail without outside support. Consequently the insurgents commonly appealed both personally to Western journalists or diplomats and en masse before the Budapest legations of the Western powers for political and military intervention as well as arms and ammunition.(24)

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Smutna vskutku (none / 0) (#15)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 24.11.2004 23:51:09 MET
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avsak realita realna.

Obycejni hloupi lide od soustruhu (diky za urazku amigorne, ja jsem vyuceny soustruznik a musim rict, ze jsem poznal dost soustruzniku se strizlivejsim pohledem na svet, nez je zde ten Husituv) a od traktoru maji vetsinou trochu chybne iluze o realite nezavisle na tom kde ziji. Nakonec koukam, ze podobne hloupe iluze zrejme vlastnis i Ty.

Od toho jsou ti, kteri ty hloupe soustruzniky organizuji, aby jim ty iluze vymluvili a navedli je na spravnejsi cestu - soustruznici si spise hledi soustruhu. Na druhou stranu ziskali Magyars trochu hrdosti, par hrdinu a ja mel kam jet na Easy Rider, One flew over the cockoo's nest a Jesus Crispies Superstar.

life's a near death experience
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Nahodou vim, (none / 0) (#17)
Prokop (pkrasny@aol.com) 25.11.2004 00:15:05 MET
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ze nejdele se sovetskym tankum v madarsku branila fabrika na nakladni auta; holt delnici to vidi jednoduse.

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Ma hluboka OMLUVA (none / 0) (#19)
HUSITA 25.11.2004 00:22:15 MET
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drahy sostruzniku....ac to vubec nebylo smerovane na SOUSTRUZNIKY ale na delmickou tridu:-))))))))))jez je nejlepe predstavovana
svarnym tovarysem za TOSem :-)))))

Ale udelam tam opravu:

...Obycejni hloupi lide STROJNI ZAMECNICI:-)))))))))))))))))))
Uz se citis lip??? kapiiis?? :-)))))))))))))

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priteli Silliconovy (5.00 / 1) (#33)
Astr 25.11.2004 01:08:30 MET
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REALITA =SMUTNA = V MADARSKEM STYLU

A significant portion of Hungarian society mistakenly believed (and still believes) that the spheres of influence established in Europe after World War II were just temporary arrangements and that the Revolution offered the Western powers an exceptional opportunity to change them. The majority of Hungarians were only able to perceive those world political trends which were encouraging for their aspirations. Although the new orientation of East-West relations were leading to a rapprochement between the two world superpowers they continued believing in the unchanged American propaganda emphasizing that the United States would never write off the so-called captive nations.

TO JE STALE DOKOLA STEJNA PISNICKA

V 56 MADARI VERILI, ZE ZAPAD(USA) PRIJDE NA POMOC a KULOVY S PREHAZOVACKOU!

KDYZ SENIOR VJEL DO IRAKU NEKTERI (SITOVE) SI MYSLELI TOTEZ = OPET ZADNA POMOC.

S Husitovým hodnocení Maďarských události. Nevím ovšem proč neřekl dělnickou
třídu a dál do toho soustružníky, možná proto že to vyšlo z fabrik a ne od
zemědělců z Pustý?

Co mě překvapuje, že Vy oba strojaři a nejste schopni se dohodnout na rozdílu
mezi soustružníkem a strojním zámečníkem a dokonce snad kdo z nich patří do
dělnické třídy?

dávám Ti tu písemně Ingenoure ze Silly Valley, že Ty kdybys mi tu napsal 1000x za sebou že se hlásíš k soustružníkům, tak ve Tvém případě by mě ani v tom
nejhorším snu nenapadlo Té považovat za dělnickou třídu!

PS
Zajímavost pro Tebe.

Máme tu na návštěvě jednoho "chlapce" od vás z USA = z Cali.
Včera tu byl v Sydney v Press Clubu.
Sice jen na pozvánky a ještě za peníz.- ale PARADA!
Prof.Hank Chesbrough- exec.director of UNI-California.

Když to porovnám třeba s Clintonem, (ne pokud jde o Clintonovo drahé vstupné , ale co kdo řekl)

tak ten vás hoch z Cali- To je opravdu MYSLIVNA!
Máte li tam více takových-

tak nejakej primitivní Křovák to snad nemůže úplně pokakat:-)
alias polopatisticko-simpletonsky si myslim, ze jeste dlouho to nebude s USA uplne v prdeli:-) jak obcas nekdo neco takoveho napise, aby Te a Tobe podobne vytocil:-)

měj se

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aaaahhh (none / 0) (#34)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 25.11.2004 01:16:22 MET
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disruptive technologies apod.?

To mohlo byt zajimave, v Berserkeley maji krome spinavych hipisaku i dobrou skolu ;-).

Jestli u vas davaji novy emerycky film Sideways nesmis si ho nechat uniknout. Krome toho, ze je z me oblibene casti Cali, je to bezva film a je jakoby o vine...

life's a near death experience
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Ty ho take znas? (none / 0) (#35)
Astr 25.11.2004 01:41:40 MET
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udelal "prulet" technologiema vcetne IT krasne to prokladal priklady jmenovitych companies od IMB pres me neznama jmena po Microsoft a pres asijske az k Siemensovi.
Zacinal nekde u company co zacala s harddiskama, takze to neni jen skolomet a theoretik.
Opravdu po dlouhe dobe zazitek!

Sideways ano, ale pockam si na lepsi kino, nerad se tlacim mezi odpadem imperialisticke spolecnosti.

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Jeho osobne ne, (none / 0) (#36)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 25.11.2004 01:53:31 MET
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ale ty principy inovaci mi nejsou uplne nezname.

20 let v silivalley a okoli te chte nechte umaze venture kapitalismem, aplikaci nejnovejsich technologii na trh a podobnymi kousky.
Je to tu ve vzduchu a asi nakazlive, pamatujes, jak's mi za to zpocatku nadaval ;-))?

Odbornici z profese tady uci i na vecernich kursech, my mame studentske interns u firmy, incestualni kolotoc vedy a praxe se toci k obecne spokojenosti.

Sideways si rozhodne nenech ujit, budes se chvilemi urcite i smat nahlas.

life's a near death experience
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Me kolegyne tata (none / 0) (#14)
Prokop (pkrasny@aol.com) 24.11.2004 22:51:43 MET
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je madar (jak znamo, kazdy madar muze za to ze je madar:)) Jeho tata mu v roce 46?? rekl, ze to nevypada dobre, at kouka vzit roha a tak se z pana Koraba stal fotograf napred ve Francii a pak v USA.

Celkem sympaticky pan - konzervativni az do morku kosti - oproti sve dceri, ktera se v USA denicich uhnula doleva.

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Volebni policajt sveta???? (none / 0) (#39)
HUSITA 25.11.2004 05:19:39 MET
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volte voly
volte kravy
jen nedejte
na amerikany

kdy tam zacneme posilat Stingery??? kdyz rusaci uz pristali s dvema
samoljotama specialnich jednotek...???:-))))))

KIEV, Ukraine, Nov. 24 - The government of Ukraine on Wednesday ignored reports of widespread government fraud in Sunday's election and certified the current prime minister as president-elect, moves Secretary of State Colin L. Powell swiftly condemned. With unrest growing on the streets here, the declared loser called for a general strike and a new election.

"If the Ukrainian government does not act immediately and responsibly, there will be consequences for our relationship, for Ukraine's hopes for a Euro-Atlantic integration and for individuals responsible for perpetrating fraud," Mr. Powell said in Washington. "We cannot accept this result as legitimate." [Page A14.]

Takovych voleb kde si kandidat u moci pomohl paru procenty asi svet videl a amerika posvetila musely byt desitky jestli ne stovky.

Myslim ze poctive spocitane mozna protikandidat vyhral o chlup
ale ne s zadnou prevahou.
Zem je rozdelena na pulku a bez ohledu na to kdo je opravdovy vitez pulka zeme bude nasrana ze opacny kokot je u kormidla...tak jak tady.
Zda to stoji za to aby Kiev vypadal jak Groznyj,uvidime.

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Prosim te Boutrosi nestras (none / 0) (#11)
Michaela 24.11.2004 22:20:58 MET
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co na to rict? je to desny.
Ukrajina je divna zeme a vzdycky mne divna pripadala.

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Uz dost driv (none / 0) (#18)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 25.11.2004 00:20:27 MET
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mi jeden kamarad v Kotline rikal, ze je rad, ze se Slovensko osamostatnilo. Je jeste jedna zeme mezi Ceskem a Ukrajinou.
Ted se to asi hodi.

US state department doporucuje amikum odjet z Ukrajiny ASAP.
Je to zajimava (a nepekna situace). Zkusim se zeptat, co na to zdejsi Ukrajinci.

life's a near death experience
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No normalně se tam srotěj kozáci (none / 0) (#20)
Prokop (pkrasny@aol.com) 25.11.2004 00:26:25 MET
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a napíšou zas dopis gubernátorovi.
A co na to Taras Bulba?

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Ja chci AKSINJU (none / 0) (#23)
HUSITA 25.11.2004 00:32:56 MET
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at uz tam vyhraje kdokoliv:-)))))))))))))))))

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Vyhodou (none / 0) (#24)
Boutros el Uam (squawbumzavinachorkapostateckacom) 25.11.2004 00:36:38 MET
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silivalley je to, ze dojdu 20 kroku a mam nazor od echtovniho ukrajince/inda/cinana/japonce/francouze/ira apod.

Takze Tolja rikal, ze jeho kamarad zrovna zurive protestuje na podporu Yushchenka (kteremu nepratele prezdivaji Bushchenko nebo Bander a Kuchma ho asi chtel otravit - srovnejte jeho fotky pred/po) v Kijeve. A ze prej se za nej budou i prat.

Coz Tolja poznamenan emerykou uz nepoklada za rozumne a kamaradovi preje "good luck" a aby radsi zustal doma.

-z Moskvy je do Kijeva bliz nez z Washingtonu
-zeme je udajne rozdelena temer pul na pul, vychodni cast - vic ruska a vic obydlena je spis s Moskvou a "viteznym" kandidatem
-volebni podvody se zcela urcite dely. In the big picture ani jeden kandidat nema podporu cele zeme.

life's a near death experience
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